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« Reply #15 on: Feb 17th, 2014, 6:19pm »

Reading through all of the comments, I can agree that my mentor system idea may not be the best way to approach improving role play quality. While it may not be the best idea, this debate alone has helped me identify some basic things that need to be addressed to form the foundation for any plan we pursue.

The first thing I'm noticing (and completely agree with) is the incentive. What incentive do the members have to change? I've seen you guys in general post anything from positive reinforcement to regulations to force people to take the initiative. While I personally don't know what is the best approach to take, finding that incentive for the members to change is the first step we need to obtain in order to turn writing quality around.

Once we find the correct incentive, next comes the process of actually improving the quality of our writing. Now, while my role play academy idea may not be the best way to do it, I do feel there has to be something available to help members improve. We can't just slap regulations on the books and tell them to do it. There has to be something to help bring about the change. Maybe going to an expert database like Crimson had years ago might be a way to do that. I don't know.

In short, I see now that any plan we have must include an incentive for improving as well as a pathway to help bring the writing quality up. I have nothing in mind as to how to do this at this moment in time, but now that I realize what our foundation needs, I'm confident we can find a centrist system to help bring the change. We just have to find the right incentive and the right pathway to bring about the changes we want to see.
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xx Re: Improving RP Quality...
« Reply #16 on: Feb 17th, 2014, 7:43pm »

This is an old post I posted in the admin/mod section that Emi-chan was kind enough to dig out for me. It outlines the basics of the system that I propose for how to improve RP quality. I wouldn't in any way consider it complete, but you should certainly be able to pick up the gist of what I want to accomplish.

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Well, it was about time one of us actually went and made a thread about this, so here I am.

Put simply, we need a system of standards in place pertaining to the quality of RPs that are done here. The simple truth is that we need to find a way to encourage RPers to come here instead of the alternative forums that allow 18+ content. Here are my opinions on the needs of the system:

The system SHOULD:

be a set of rules.
have consequences for breaking these rules (warnings/bans/etc.).
benefit RPers of all different skill levels.
allow for some level of leniency.


The system should NOT:

encourage elitism.
punish new RPers.
allow for continued lack of improvement to be excused


I've discussed this before, but I'm going to go over my proposed solution once again and I encourage you all to post both systems of your own as well as critiques of my system.

Currently, the forums have 5 arbitrary "ranks" based on your post count:

0-49: New Member
50-99: Junior Member
100-249: Full Member
250-499: Senior Member
500+: God

I suggest that we modify these ranks and their requirements and use them as a metric for our RP improvements. In other words, every time you advance a rank through posting, the amount of quality you are expected to put into your RPs increases. As RP posts are by far the single fastest way of increasing one's post count, the interference by general posts would be minimal.

This benefits veteran RPers because over time all members will be brought up to certain quality standards.

This benefits developing RPers because it allows them to use this forum as a place to grow and develop their skills without needless heckling.

My proposed changes to the tiering system of members is as follows (the post counts are what matters, the names are just for flavor):

0-99: Greenhorn
100-249: Neophyte
250-999: Journeyman
1000-2499: Proficient
2500+: Guru

Each of these would have two categories of guidelines associated with them: "Post Length" and "Spelling/Grammar/Style". When I say 'style' I simply mean guidelines such as writing in the third person and past tense. I do not believe that first-person RPing is conducive to quality and keeping things appropriate for those who either should not or do not wish to be on the 18+ forums.

The requirements for post length would have to be a little more in-depth than a single guideline for each tier of member. As lower-tier members may not be writing as much, higher-tier members RPing with them should not have the same guidelines imposed upon them. This helps encourage newer members to learn from those who are more experienced by RPing with them. It also discourages elitism amongst the more experienced RPers.

For example (example being a key word. This is just a prototype system and everything is a work in progress):

Tier 1: No requirement. (This should be the rank 1 requirement for any and all categories that are made. Let's not scare off the newbies.)
Tier 2: 90% of posts must be 1+ complete sentence(s).
Tier 3 (Average partner tier 1): 90% of posts must be 1+ complete sentences(s).
Tier 3 (Average partner tier 2-5): 90% of posts must be 2+ complete sentences.
Tier 4 (Average partner tier 1-2): 90% of posts must be 2+ complete sentences.
Tier 4 (Average partner tier 3-5): 90% of posts must be 1+ paragraph(s) (4+ complete sentences).
Tier 5 (Average partner tier 1-3): 90% of posts must be 1+ paragraph(s) (4+ complete sentences).
Tier 5 (Average partner tier 4-5): 90% of posts must be 2+ paragraphs.

Why all the "90% of posts"? I feel like without such a clause we create a double-edged sword. We put unnecessary stress on the members to perform and we allow the admins/moderators to nit-pick a little too much and potentially get away with warning or even banning otherwise perfectly acceptable RPers.

The guidelines for spelling/grammar/style would only require a single guideline for each member tier. Having a less experienced partner to RP with is no excuse for lacking in these departments. I won't even bother with a prototype list of guidelines for these when this is in such a work in progress state.

As for enforcing these guidelines, here are my ideas:

When a member is found to not be meeting the guidelines, they are sent a non-official warning. No strikes are placed against their account. The member is given 7 days to show improvement or an honest intent to improve (I'll go over what I mean by this later).
If the member improves to the point of meeting the standard, then they are given a message stating so and the issue is dropped.
If the member continues to not meet the standard, but is showing an honest intent to improve (Again, I'll go over this later) then they are given a non-official warning stating so, as well as an acknowledgement that we see their intent. They will be re-evaluated in another 7 days. No strikes are placed against their account.
If the member continues to not meet the standard and does not show an honest intent to improve then they are given an official warning stating so and a strike will be placed against their account. If this is their first or second strike, they will be re-evaluated in another 7 days. If it is their third strike, they will be banned in accordance with our three strike policy.


Now what do I mean by "honest intent to improve"?

If the member shows sudden improvement after being warned, but is still not meeting standards, this should be considered honest intent.
We should also create a new forum where members are free to ask other members for tips on their writing. Requesting help in this forum should be considered honest intent. A member should be granted honest intent for this no more than once per tier. This is to prevent the system from being abused.
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« Reply #17 on: Feb 17th, 2014, 7:49pm »

After reading it over, this seems pretty Legit to me. One thing I'm kinda concerned on is that the top tier requires 2 paragraphs plus per response.

Now I wouldn't consider myself to be up there since I have random, and long, pauses between visits, but for those that are, that might be a little high to be putting in every response.
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xx Re: Improving RP Quality...
« Reply #18 on: Feb 18th, 2014, 7:28pm »

on Feb 17th, 2014, 7:49pm, CoilKing50 wrote:
After reading it over, this seems pretty Legit to me. One thing I'm kinda concerned on is that the top tier requires 2 paragraphs plus per response.

Now I wouldn't consider myself to be up there since I have random, and long, pauses between visits, but for those that are, that might be a little high to be putting in every response.


Even though those are just prototypes, even with that system your post count is barely into tier 4. Do you honestly not believe that with another ~1400 posts under your belt that you could consistently write 2 paragraph long posts?

The idea here is that each tier gives you the time to learn the skills for the next.

Although as we do have some members here who, despite large post counts, do not have a level of proficiency to match. I discussed this with Emiko earlier and my proposed solution was to phase the system in. For example, when it first launches we might treat all tier 4 and 5 members as tier 3. Then we stay like that for a bit. Afterward, we start treating tier 4 and 5 members as tier 4 for a time. After that, we treat tier 5 members as tier 5.

At the earliest phase, the only people who would be truly affected are those who refuse to write anything beyond a one-liner.

Really, though. You can write 2 paragraphs about taking your shirt off if you're determined enough.
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« Reply #19 on: Feb 19th, 2014, 07:21am »

Well writing is my weakest scholar point, though the set-up you say seems to be able to work. But how would it work if someone in those upper tiers wants to respond, but is having writter's block or have a very small window to respond? And that's meant for those with busy schedules that has free-time turned into work-time on them.

By the way, nice example bro lol.
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« Reply #20 on: Feb 19th, 2014, 4:17pm »

Why not just reset the post counts? That might seem dangerous, but that just occured to me.
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« Reply #21 on: Feb 19th, 2014, 4:33pm »

Maybe we should add a story of the week and monthly honors to writers who put effort into their post? I think we should improve rp quality but if we go a little too harsh we may scare future members away. I know we would need more than what I'm recommending but things like that might inspire members to put effort. I think its a good start.
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« Reply #22 on: Feb 19th, 2014, 4:44pm »

I mean... future members won't know what was here before they got here... sorry to derail your argument.
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« Reply #23 on: Feb 19th, 2014, 4:54pm »

Its ok. That is true I haven't thought of that.
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« Reply #24 on: Feb 19th, 2014, 8:43pm »

I like the story of the week/monthly honours idea although we might have to make it story of the month to give people adequate time to write out the stories. We could have a section called story of the month which is where the mod's put the winning story in. Is this a good idea guys and girls?
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« Reply #25 on: Feb 19th, 2014, 9:05pm »

I think that's better than story of the week. It is a good incentive hypnosisbliss
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« Reply #26 on: Feb 19th, 2014, 9:17pm »

How would that serve as an incentive? It would be more likely to crush someone's self-esteem that they did not get picked or to scare off newcomers than it would be to inspire them to better themselves.
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« Reply #27 on: Feb 19th, 2014, 9:22pm »

Just another quick question. If we did go for the story of the month idea would this include rps as well? Also we'd have to have a competition entry section as well. While I'm on a role could another reward for winning be some cool hypnosis related avatar?
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« Reply #28 on: Feb 19th, 2014, 9:24pm »

I'm just throwing Idea's out there crimson.
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« Reply #29 on: Feb 19th, 2014, 9:42pm »

I think we should experiment with it and see how it works
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