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« Reply #30 on: Mar 6th, 2013, 4:59pm »

On the subject of wanted features, I'd like to have one enabling you to subscribe to certain threads. This would make it easier to follow the threads you are interested in reading.

Also, it would be neat to see when other users were last online.
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« Reply #31 on: Mar 10th, 2013, 5:05pm »

CRIMSON'S SUGGESTIONS FOR IMPROVING RP QUALITY

So here's the dilemma I think we face: We have a need for higher RP quality, but we also need to not needlessly scare away potential and current members.

So here is my proposed solution that I believe will function as a compromise between the requests of developing and veteran RPers alike:

Currently, the forums have 5 arbitrary "ranks" based on your post count:

0-49: New Member
50-99: Junior Member
100-249: Full Member
250-499: Senior Member
500+: God

I suggest that we modify these ranks and their requirements and use them as a metric for our RP improvements. In other words, every time you advance a rank through posting, the amount of quality you are expected to put into your RPs increases. As RP posts are by far the single fastest way of increasing one's post count, the interference by general posts would be minimal.

This benefits veteran RPers because over time all members will be brought up to certain quality standards.

This benefits developing RPers because it allows them to use this forum as a place to grow and develop their skills without needless heckling.

The biggest issue here is that we have to make it clear that if you leave and come back you will still be held accountable for any posts you made in the past. I can see some people deleting their accounts and re-making accounts in order to continue posting poorly.

Will everyone like this change? No, they won't. However, if a person has been RPing here for some time and still shows no desire to improve, I believe there's a point where we have to say that person isn't wanted.

This forum needs a way to stand out when compared to the more "mature" sites (and I use that word loosely), and without quality RPs, we don't have any way of doing that.
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« Reply #32 on: Mar 10th, 2013, 5:22pm »

^ I don't see much of problem with this. So long as we make sure to communicate so newbies who enter the forum know what they're getting into (and not find out later and whine that we didn't tell them about this), I'm happy to work under this system.

It might be a wee bit hard to define the quality we want; it's unfortunately subjective, though we can definitely quantify it with grammar, punctuation, spelling, etc. Anything further than that would be tricky, but hey, we can at least give it a bash and see what comes out of it.

And I'm not relaxing just because I'm been here a while; if anything, I'll get my butt whooped harder if I slack. Which is fine, I don't want special treatment.
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« Reply #33 on: Mar 11th, 2013, 6:16pm »

There should probably be an aspect to each level relating to post length as well. In my opinion, there has to be a point where we put our feet down and say that 1-2 line posts are just not OK.
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« Reply #34 on: Mar 12th, 2013, 7:29pm »

on Mar 6th, 2013, 4:59pm, Ostbengt wrote:
On the subject of wanted features, I'd like to have one enabling you to subscribe to certain threads. This would make it easier to follow the threads you are interested in reading.

Also, it would be neat to see when other users were last online.


I think these are mostly hardware changes to the site that would have to be programmed in by someone at conforums, an admin probably couldn't add those as options.
However, I know you can follow an RP if you post a reply to it and check a box that says "Notify of Replies" (It's under the characters remaining number), however RP'ers may not appreciate having random people posting in their threads (or they might like it, it would tell them how many people are reading their RP's).


As for the ranking system it sounds fair. Not really sure what else to say about it.
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« Reply #35 on: Mar 13th, 2013, 5:26pm »

I'm not really one to have the best ideas, but I do have one serious request. Lately I've been doing private roleplays. I enjoy it much more (it's a lot easier to keep track of) and it's great. The only problem is that sometimes, for example, after a day has passed and I get the reply, I completely forget what I had written previously. This can be a problem, as the potential of my reply being lost forever and I lose track of it.

So what is my suggestion? An outbox. So I can keep track of my side of the posts. Thank you.
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« Reply #36 on: Mar 13th, 2013, 5:37pm »

on Mar 13th, 2013, 5:26pm, Endlessswirl wrote:
I'm not really one to have the best ideas, but I do have one serious request. Lately I've been doing private roleplays. I enjoy it much more (it's a lot easier to keep track of) and it's great. The only problem is that sometimes, for example, after a day has passed and I get the reply, I completely forget what I had written previously. This can be a problem, as the potential of my reply being lost forever and I lose track of it.

So what is my suggestion? An outbox. So I can keep track of my side of the posts. Thank you.


There already is one. Go to your private messages, and above the main table of inbox stuff is a couple of options. One is your outbox, squished between 'mark as read' and 'preferences'.
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« Reply #37 on: Mar 13th, 2013, 5:55pm »

Well then how about a more available one? But thanks! That's very helpful.
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« Reply #38 on: Mar 13th, 2013, 10:49pm »

I've been a little slow to post the last couple of days because of pressing issues around my household. Though with that starting to slow down, I can finally weigh in on the recent bit of suggestions.

As far as your suggestion goes Crimson, I could see something potentially coming from what you've said. Having different requirements for being at a certain rank might be a potentially good way to improve RP quality. I am inclined to agree with Shadow Rider though in that determining what qualities we expect from members at different levels would be incredibly tricky. It would take a lot of consideration to determine the requirements per level, and even then enforcing it would be an incredibly difficult task. We will need more than just regulations in order to get people to improve the quality of role playing. In no way am I dismissing your idea though. I like the idea and I am open to discussing and debating it further.

Regarding forum upgrades such as thread subscriptions, better outboxes and such... I have no control over that. The owners of Conforums are the ones that design these forums. I don't have the ability to make edits to the forums of this scale. My abilities are unfortunately limited to cosmetic changes such as adding and editing boards as well as a few other things such as changing the site logo, background, colors, text, and a few other odds and ends like that.
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« Reply #39 on: Mar 14th, 2013, 4:38pm »

on Mar 13th, 2013, 10:49pm, Emiko wrote:
As far as your suggestion goes Crimson, I could see something potentially coming from what you've said. Having different requirements for being at a certain rank might be a potentially good way to improve RP quality. I am inclined to agree with Shadow Rider though in that determining what qualities we expect from members at different levels would be incredibly tricky. It would take a lot of consideration to determine the requirements per level, and even then enforcing it would be an incredibly difficult task. We will need more than just regulations in order to get people to improve the quality of role playing. In no way am I dismissing your idea though. I like the idea and I am open to discussing and debating it further.


I think the way to go about it would be to split our expectations into multiple, finite categories such as post length, spelling, and grammar. We could then assign a certain level of error to each of these categories for each level of rank progression. For example (example being the key word):

Post Length:
Rank 1: No requirement. (This should be the rank 1 requirement for all categories)
Rank 2: 90% of posts must be 1+ complete sentence(s).
Rank 3: 90% of posts must be 2+ complete sentences(s).
Rank 4: 90% of posts must be 1+ paragraph(s) (4+ complete sentences).
Rank 5: 90% of posts must be 2+ paragraphs.

As for... well, I suppose the word would be 'policing' the posts, I don't see that as being too much of an issue if more moderators were truly being brought in.

I agree that we need more than regulations; we need consequences. If people aren't posting to standards, should we decide to initiate them, then not adhering to them should be an offense punishable by bans. Temporary bans for initial offenses, and permanent bans for repeat offenders should be standard.

If we wanted to take it a step further we could add a requirement that if you are RPing with someone who you believe isn't adhering to guidelines and fail to report it then you're also subject to consequences. However, I'd rather not go this route as it feels invasive.
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« Reply #40 on: Mar 15th, 2013, 02:18am »

I'm afraid I've got come on the other side of the fence, Crimson. As much as I wish I could write 2 paragraphs for each post I make, sometimes it's simply not possible. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not calling for my responsibilities to be decreased.

I know this is just an example, but I'm at a little bit of an issue with the definition as paragraph as stated; at least four lines. Since my quota is two, that's eight lines of information relevant to the plot I need to conjure.

I might just be viewing it light of some of my RP partners (who are fine, but they just don't write in bulk), that I'm going to start to struggle to put useful information in there. I'm likey going to end up with my character's action and reaction in the first paragraph, and then some 'how he's feeling and thinking' nonsense in the bottom on, which to me feels pretentious. I want to demonstrate most of my characters' feelings through action, though I can't do too much as I'm relying on my RP partner to also form feedback which will affect how my character proceeds with their actions. I also don't want to look like an arty farty type with my head stuck up my backside.

Of course sometimes I just vomit sentences out and easily fulfill the requirements, but this is all dependant on the partner's level of detail and my own inspiration and mood at the time. I understand that this is a push to make us err on the side of quality not quantity. Again, for my current partners; don't worry, you're fine, I enjoy RPing with you, and small sentences don't bother me unless it turns into a consistent one line bonanza. Then I get a bit grumpy.

My only suggestion is that a paragraph can be three sentences up, not just four (perhaps expansion in the future when more people are used to writing paragraphs?). Then again this is my opinion so if i'm barking up the wrong tree, feel free to point out the branches.
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« Reply #41 on: Mar 15th, 2013, 10:42pm »

I'd just like to say that posting two paragraphs by Crimson's standards from my phone can be a major pain in the ass- and that is how I primarily post my replies. That being said, I do not consider myself a bad roleplayer nor a detrament to the board.

I commend the desire to improve the roleplay quality around here, but I don't think punishing those that some rule deems sub-par is the way to go about this.
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« Reply #42 on: Mar 18th, 2013, 02:58am »

I'll have to agree with Shadow and Pajames. Trying to write two paragraphs per reply is a bit much. I can see where your coming from, in terms of improving quality on this site, but what about parts in RPs when your character isn't doing that much. Take a hypnosis scene for example. If your character is in the middle of being hypnotized, the there isn't exactly a lot you could type. I'll probably end up looking something like this:

Sarah did what she was told, and stare into the spirals. She watched as the as the never ending colors entered her mind. All she could do was to stare in awe of the beautiful array of colors played out in front of her. They never seemed to stop.

The spirals entered her mind, sweeping away all will and thought. Each color chipped away at her will. There more she stared, the more fell under the spell. All her strength and will power were being washed away at the power of the hypnosis.


It would soon become very repetitive and boring.
(If it seems I'm being a bit harsh, then I'm sorry.)
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« Reply #43 on: Mar 19th, 2013, 6:42pm »

Hello everyone! Sorry I haven't had an opportunity to respond to your concerns about my suggestion. I'll try and get to all three of you...

@Shadow Rider
I actually think this is a very valid concern, one that I admittedly did not consider previously. First of all, thank you for acknowledging that my previous 'guidelines' were just a rough suggestion.

Now, you could just go ahead and make it stand regardless as everyone will eventually be brought up to the same standards, but this encourages more veteran RPers to discriminate against newer members and that is something I want to avoid.

You could make a split the guidelines up into a grid of "you" and "average rank of partner(s)" but that would involve creating 25 guidelines (although some would be equal, but still!), and that just seems silly and overly complicated.

Another option would be to split guidelines based on whether the average rank of your partner(s) was lower, equal to, or higher than your own. However, this still requires creating 13 (5*3-2 as you can't be lower than 1 or higher than 5) guidelines. That still feels like too many.

What I think would be the best option would simply be to create a set of guidelines for each rank, then create a second guideline for ranks 3-5 for when the average rank of your partner(s) is 2+ ranks lower than your own. This only requires creating 8 guidelines and is (in my opinion) an effective way of bypassing the issue you pointed out.

I also think that post length is the only guideline that would need to be split up like this. Things like grammar and spelling shouldn't be affected, as RPing with a newer RPer should not be a valid excuse for negligence in these departments.

Also, a general statement that an exceptionally detailed sentence can be counted as two sentences for length requirements is also a potentially good idea.

@Pajamas
First of all, I have to say I'm surprised to see you back here. I'm honestly glad to see you're the same as I remember you.

Second of all, regardless of what guidelines be put into place, nobody should be given special treatment. If you have your own idea of how to make the RP quality here better, you're welcome to share it.

I know this isn't you saying you can't be bothered, because I've seen what you can do when you put your mind to it and you're plenty capable.

@Rhila
I'll be honest here and say I can't tell if you think you're incapable or if you just don't want to be bothered to perform better. Either way, I wanted to say "shame on you". If it's the former, you shouldn't ever limit yourself like that. If it's the latter, then I regret to inform you that that is the entire point here. I sincerely believe bad RPing hurts everyone and anyone who shows that they can't be bothered to improve is only harming the forum as a whole.

Also, I have to completely disagree about the situation about someone being hypnotized as something that would become repetitive and difficult to write in detail.

Rahka squirmed and writhed as he fought an ultimately futile struggle to free himself from the snake's coils. As his attention was focused on those coils, something else entered his vision. He saw the snake's head, which he had thought would have came from above him in the event that he were to become a meal for the serpent. However, something was amiss with the image before him. The snake's irises and pupils seemed to have vanished and had been replaced by a pulsating myriad of colored rings.

The swordsman's own eyes widened in shock at the sight. This only allowed him a wider view of the entrancing display. He could begin to feel a tingling sensation in the upper portions of his head. This bizarre aura spread quickly downward, overtaking his entire body. A plethora of vivid memories rushed to the surface. He remembered times when he would skip hunting and just relax in a tree, looking up at the leaves and pondering his own life. He remembered the gentle embrace of his village's medicine woman who would comfort him as she treated the wounds inflicted upon him by his father.

His mind started to make connections between the two. He could start to hear a soft, genderless voice whisper directly into his mind. It told him to give in, to submit. It told him that if he did, he could be free of all his pain and live the peaceful life he had always wanted. It told him that he would never have to fight again. It told him all he had to do was to continue staring.

It seemed so inane, but the more he listened the more he found himself believing it.
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« Reply #44 on: Mar 19th, 2013, 10:35pm »

Trust me, I'd put a lot more detail in each post if it wasn't such a chore or hazard. This bloody phone is temperamental to the point of randomly shutting down, which pretty much wipes out the post I'm currently working on.

I just feel that implementing a system like you're suggesting would alienate more users as opposed to reeling in better storytellers.

I would pretend that I'm not the person you're thinking of if I saw a point in it, which I don't. Sooo, yeah. Cat outta the bag and all that.
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